Why Are Tall Women ALWAYS NEGLECTED In The Fashion Industry? | And How Amalli Talli Is The Solution

Did you know that tall specific brick and mortars once existed, like actual physical stores selling tall clothing. I don't know about you, but I'm just recently finding out about this. These days, we're just not used to finding what we need in stores. Pants often fit like capris, the long sleeves hit like three quarter sleeves, and the dresses and skirts never quite reached the right length. And as tall women, I'm pretty sure we're all frustrated by this, and it kind of makes me wish that these physical stores that we're selling tall clothing were still around. That's why I'm excited for today's episode. I am joined by not one, but two amazing guests, Amy and Ali, the tall sister duo behind the Tall brand called Amali Tali. They've experienced all of the tall girl fashion struggles that we have struggled with, and they decided to do something about it. In today's episode, we're gonna be talking about why tall clothing isn't sold in stores, why tall brick and mortars don't really exist anymore, what other brands get wrong when trying to make tall clothing, and of course, the story behind their brand A Molli Tolly. We have a lot to cover today, so without further ado, let's get into it. Good morning, everybody. You are currently listening to a Tall Girls podcast hosted by a tall girl named India. I hope everyone who's sitting in today is doing super fantastic. I am joined by two very very special guests today, the founders of Amali Tolly Amy and Ali. Hi. Guys, Hello, how are you guys doing today? We're doing good. It's bright and early. Is bright and early. Sorry to get you guys on here super early, but you know what, mornings are always good times to have a chat. You know what I meant for us awesome? But yeah, just take a second to introduce yourselves. I'm Ali. I'm one half of a Molly Holly. I represent maybe like the shorter end of the tall strom at five to ten, and on this team, as far as roles go, I'm kind of like the math we the nerd, the details person. So I'm really in like the finance side of our business, the production side, and then you know, I mean, we wear all the hats, but that's kind of my main role here. So no one throws down with an Excel spreadsheet. Better than you. Hi. Everyone, I'm Amy, I'm the taller end of this partnership, so I am just shied like six four and so in terms of scope and responsibilities, I tend to do more of like Alie's really good with. The details and making sure that. Everything is what we need to do, and I'm more big picture, so marketing, branding, some of that type of stuff. Awesome, thank you guys for that introduction And fun fact, Ali said you were five ten, so that's the short girlies, that's the short tall side of things. And then Amy, it's like funny because I say that from like six foot to six three it's like average tall, and then six to four and up is tall tall, So I guess you kind of fit in like the tall tall area we do. It's just kind of nice that we're both built the way we are because that's such an important component of our business. It's one of the primary reasons. Well, it was a huge reason that we wanted to do this because a lot of times what worked for Alli didn't work for me, and what worked for me didn't work for Alli. So it was like, wait a second, we're both tall. We're tall in different ways, but we both have really important perspectives that need to be considered in this niche. So we're kind of thankful that we're both built the way we are. Well, that is true, That's very very true. And you know, before we get into the nitty gritty of like your business and why you started it and so forth, I want to hear about your experiences growing up as tall girlies, you know, the good, the bad, the ugly. What was growing up tall like for you guys? I think at five to. Ten, it's been probably way different than Amy's experience, and I feel like it's been different in different years. So like high. School, we are from small town Iowa, went to a really small high school. Obviously both of us for our classes were one of the tallest. Amy, you probably were the tallest girl in your class. And I feel like during that time that comes with a lot of pressure, Like if you're tall and have any ounce of athleticism in a small town, they're like, you got to carry this sports department on your back, you know, like you got. To do all the things and you know, be really good at it. And Amy and I both only liked volleyball, so I feel like it was kind of a struggle of like kind of letting down people Like I know we share that experience because we both like didn't want. To play basketball. They wanted me to high jump. I cannot jump to save my life, and like that regard. So I feel like high school was kind of this, you know thing of being pressured to play all the sports, do all the things you are, you do go through that time where you're taller than all the dudes in your class, and you know it's again in small town, you one of like the tallest people. So it's just a different experience. I feel like there were times in high school I struggled with that, and we've talked about this actually, and we had an interview with Shape magazine once. But from a perspective of, like you're eating more than your peers. You're just naturally like a bigger waist size. In your peers. So in your teen years, like even though five ten doesn't seem that tall, when you know the rest of your classmates are like five to three, they're like that, that definitely. Affects you, and I wish there had been more. People to speak to like you need to eat more, especially because you're like active and you're tall, Like things things like that but also having my sister and our brother. Everyone in our family is tall taller than me. And even though Amy had her own like struggles and experiences that she'll speak to, she never let me know that she like hated being tall and was like really insecure. So I always like to tell people like, even if you're feeling that, if you're modeling something different, it is really impactful. Like I watched her play volleyball and be super confident on the core, and I like honestly wanted to be taller than five ten because I was like all about it. So I think growing up in a taller family helped me a little bit as the youngest sibling, and in college played college volleyball. In my freshman year, I was a shorty, so like, I honestly didn't feel like, you know, some it. Was kind of an opposite experience of high school. It's like I'm surrounded by all these like six two six three six four beauties. I'm like, this is just like I'm a shorty, and then it's like it flips again. When you leave college, you're done being an athlete, like that part of your life is over. I walked into corporate world. I am like massive in a high heel and like work where and so it's just it's taken different turns at different points in life. But I think. Having my family, like I said, Amy as a role model like really helped me not feel like it was negative a lot of the time. I actually spent a lot of time wanting to be taller because I wanted. To play out like a higher level and volleyball and all the things. But I did have struggles as a teen in regards to like overall a sizing too right, like so not just your height, but wanting to be you know, the same kind of size. As everybody else was. So that's kind of my experience. Yeah, I think for me, I'm just so grateful because we have a great relationship with our parents. We have phenomenal parents who were really lucky that way. And one of the things that I always tell people is growing up, our mom used to always say. The one thing I will always remember about our mom is she always said mind over matter, like mind. Over matter, no matter what the situation. So if there was a situation where I wasn't like super comfortable, I was having a rough time, you know, her advice was always like it's kind of your mindset over what's actually going on. And so that was really something maybe in the beginning I didn't understand, but the older I got, the more experiences I had, that started to kind of be the voice in the back of my head. But it was tough, Like I'm not gonna lie to you. It wasn't easy. It wasn't easy. And high school and I was taller than I had one of those like Lake grolsports, so I was always like taller. But then by the end of high school I really exploded. And I still grew into college like my freshman year and I was I was really lucky. I earned a volleyball scholarship and so my freshman I mean, the coaches had to be like, oh my gosh, she's amazing, because this girl's still going. That was really tough. And we did live in small town, Iowa, and you know, obviously internet shopping wasn't a thing back then. So we had one store in our little mall, and if I could walk in and sometimes like hit the jackpot, I might come out with a pair of jeans, but usually not. It was the scene of a lot of crimes of meltdowns in the locker. Room or not in the dressing room, and so it just was what it was, you know it was. But then I look at it and think, like I always had my mom and my sister that to play this role. And my mom was always like, you know, you can't change who you are. I mean, I really remember my mom in the dressing room more than one saying, you can't change how your belt. That's how God built you, That's how it is. So it's mind over matter. You can either learn to figure out like what you love about it or you know it's not going to change. And so that did kind of help me over time. And I think just finding things that I really loved and found confidence in help play a role. But yeah, not an easy road. Yeah, it's always it seems like all of us have had like a similar high school experience. It's somehow always high school that was just we're all down bad, but it's okay, we made it through. We made it through. I think I think it's because like the guys have such a later girls for that's what makes it. Yeah, yeah, extremely painful. I had like Amy grew late and I grew early, so I was like seventh day, ninth and I was done. So we kind of have differ experience is in that regard to But I feel like middle school was like like rough because I was like, you know, yeah, going all the way up then, and nobody else was with me. So yeah, And what was something involving your height? It could be a question, it could be a comment. What was something involving your height that you absolutely hated hearing. Literally any of it? Just like I don't know that there was one thing in particular, but I'll be honest, like I've had such extreme things done and said to me, you know what I'm saying, Like I have been in a before we started this business. I was in a meeting. I told this story before too. I flew to Las Vegas for a meeting and I was told that I was meeting with this guy who was just like flat terrifying, like everybody in my company was afraid of him. They all basically wished me well and sent me on the plane. And I was like, hey, well, here goes nothing. So I get in this meeting and I'm. With a coworker of mine who also just fortunately tends to be or happens to be six feet tall as well. So We're in the boardroom in. Las Vegas and this man walks in and I am betting you he's five six. So my friend and I stand up to shake his hand, and he literally gives us the weirdest look you've ever seen, and he stands on a chair to shake my hands like he would not shake my hand. And at that moment, at that. Moment, I was like, we got him, got him, Like this meeting is not going to be that bad for some reason, Like he's he's in his feelings, like he's older than me. This is a grown man. Yeah, you know, I've had people ask me, but I lived in Minneapolis for a long time. I had more than one person ask if I played for the Links, which would be an honor, would. Be a profound honor. But I am not capable of dribbling a basketball, so that's not. Going to work. The only other story I can remember Amy is going to New York City, yes, doing some fabric searching, and it's some guy coming up to us in the store being like, what are you seven feet tall? And like just said it so condescending, so gross, and I was just like, get out of here. So I think you really have had like a few just so for. Me, like I'm I don't care anymore about the questions like that rolls off me like water off the doc's back. I'm so over that, and I don't expend any energy. But if you go to the extremes, if you're going to be extreme about it, then that's a whole different thing. Yeah. That that that makes a lot of sense. And I'm sorry that those things happened to you. The man standing on the chair, I'm not getting over that. I'm not living. That's a core memory, I tell you. And then nobody in my business could believe it. Like when I called my company and I was like, you guys, he literally walked in and thank goodness, I had my friend and actually another friend, two friends in there that I worked with coworkers, and they both thankfully were eyewitnesses so they can confirm. And then they asked if we were recruiting a basketball team, and I was like, no, sir, we're here for the business at hand. But we can talk about that. If we can reach a deal, then we'll talk about that. Maybe we can both mutually benefit. There you go, Dad to use a dear fit somehow. Thank you so much for sharing your experiences. Now, I also kind of want to get into a Molly Tlly, So I was just wondering if you guys can share a little bit of the story behind a Molly Taly and what inspired you guys to start a tall specific clothing brand. Yeah, should I take it away? So? Ali and I have always been close. There's eight years in age difference between the two of us, but growing up, we always had kind of this like, I don't know if it's a joke or just this thing. We'd always say, like someday we're going to have our own store. Like, yeah, I don't know where it came from, maybe Ali, it just was always like our thing. We come from a. Very entrepreneurial family. Everyone on our dad's side on zero business. Our dad did, so we grew up with that kind of a mindset, and you know, obviously we withdraw our struggles and this and that. And there was one day I was shopping at a local store of Minneapolis, and I was so frustrated by the experience, and I was having lunch with our mom and dad, and I kind of broke down. And my mom knew a lot of those struggles, but that wasn't something that I necessarily opened up to you to our dad because you know, he's not like a shopping guy, and he doesn't get it. It's not his. Cup of tea. But I think for the first time, like I really kind. Of had a breakdown and melt down, and so just in the way that he does. Our dad, so matter of fact, he looked at me and said, why don't you and Ali just do it? Like, why don't you just you know what's wrong, you know what the market needs. You just do it. And I was like, yeah, we should just do it. And so that's kind of the joke that you know, it was an evolution, and Allie can talk a little bit more to this too. But I was done and out of college. She was still in college, and so I think that planted the seed for us, but it would still be several years after that before we really got the ball rolling. And I'll kind of pass the mic to her, but it was really important that she'll be allowed to have opportunity obviously finish school and then you know, she wanted some experience in the real world first too, So I'll. A brilliing world of corporate accounting and finance. But I also feel like this. It's dom from like our tradition of going Christmas shopping annually together because our mom knew that she couldn't go out and like pick out any clothes for us and like succeed and nail it, and so she's like, why don't you guys just try on a couple of things you know that you want and I'll wrap it up under the tree. So it kind of started from that too. Oh, but it was like a symptom of going into stores. There were hardly any that Amy could have like a ton of success at just being six four, and honestly, like the struggle was real for me too, maybe not as intensely as you. But then there was a. Store in the Mall of America back in those days that was just like tall girl specific, and so Amy would go in there, but I found I could not wear anything in there because it was. All too long. So I did feel speaking, you know, going back to the experience of being five ten, it is kind of like a weird place because at the time, I feel like if people did tall, they just did like the tall tall side of things, which is great, it wasn't necessarily your style, which is also how we got here because it was. Very like old and matronly, but you know it. Was they did have like the inches to it, right, Like there was like the thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight engine teams. But that's just like too long for me. So I just I feel like through those like annual trips that we did, it just was like a theme that really. Stuck out to us too. So when we decided to get like more serious about it and put a business plan together, we started going to like the apparel markets that around the country. We did that for a couple of years just to. Learn and get our footing, and then it took off from there and our businesses had like a lot of different evolutions. And pivot points. But that's kind of like the spark that excited what we felt like needed to change. And honestly, as a short toll, really myself, I get one hundred because you try shopping in the regular section, of course that's not long enough, but then you shop with tall specifics, sometimes it's a little bit too long. So having that like weird in between can also make things very frustrating as well. So I'm really glad that you spoke on that and then you guys were talking about how, especially specifically Amy went to an in person store that was specifically for tall girls. Can we hear like a little bit more about that? Yeah, I mean I think it was a little bit of what Ali kind of said at the end. But it was supposed to be this great excit. There was like an experience that every tall woman dreams up, right, Like, I'm going to go into a store and now I can actually pick anything I want on the walls to go try on, Like this is like the Mecca, and. You know it's everybody. Every business has their own brand, has their own style, has their own five as they should. That's what makes all of this really great, and it allows people to find the best fit for them. For me personally, I didn't feel like any of it was The length might have been there, but I didn't feel like it was going to represent my personality, my vibe, my style I didn't love. So so you have a concession, right, like, do I go find the styles that I want to wear and sacrifice. On the fit or do I find the fit and sacrifice on the style. And neither of that worked for me? Point blank. Just I hated that that had to be my option because I'm. Gonna be honest with you. Nine times out of ten, I went the route of taking the style and sacrificing on the fit because it was just such a big deal to me to be able to like represent myself, show my personality, show my vibe. I felt like it was more important that I put out to the world like how I wanted myself to be seen, versus just having sleeves that go to my wrist. But it was just a really frustrating chopping experience. I didn't I didn't really necessarily understand kind of the vibe or some of the things, and I just felt like. We can do. Both, Like let's bridge both together, Like let's bring the colors, the patterns, the cuts, things that you're seeing in Like let's have fun. That's the thing that's maybe the best way to say it is. I wanted like a spark, I wanted fun, I wanted energy in my clothes, and all of it felt so dark and somber and safe. And there's a lot of that that that I understand now being in the business world even more so than I did. But you still have to have fun and you still have to want to like get up and get dressed in the morning. Exactly. Yeah, I actually that's a very interesting point that you touched on. I'm probably gonna circle back, Oh not me using corporate jargon. I'll probably return back to that topic in a sec. But I also do want to ask a little bit about because hearing that there was literally an in person store specifically for tall girls like that, it's quite literally unheard of. I will say this even this is the first time that I'm hearing about it, and I don't know whether or not this like store still exists in person, but I do want to ask, like what your thoughts are on why there aren't maybe more tall specific brick and mortars, why they don't really exist, or why tall clothing isn't really found in stores. So this particular store no longer exists. Oh well, there's that. There's that. But that was actually one of the driving reasons why art so Ali kind of mentioned. We've gone through a lot of evolutions in our business model, and. When we started, like nobody knew less about online or e commerce than the two people you're talking to right now, Like we didn't know anything. About that world, and we just thought based. On our personal experience, Like how cool would it be to have that experience but actually see things that you want to see that also fit. And so the first rendition of our business wasn't it was. A brick and mortar. We had a brick and mortar store in Minneapolis for three years. It was a completely different concept because it was more of a boutique. And so what I mean by that is we, as Dally said, we went to a par apparel markets and we would try to cherry pick tall girl friendly styles, right, like things that weren't designed for us and listen, like we have photos with like tape measures around our nests or whatever, because we were those people. We're the only people in the whole place that would be like measuring fleeves, measuring body length, measuring shoulders, measuring whatever. Taking samples off the rack and yeah, we're going to need to try this on. We'll bring it back. And people didn't know what's the thing of us, Like we were just kind of crazy. But we were also like two feet taller than a lot of the showroom reps there, so everybody was like. Okay, just do what you gotta do. And so that was why we had that model because. We thought, oh my gosh, like we designed a really cool store actually our mom it was such a labor of love, like we built out and had the coolest store that had all of our visions in our vibe, and we really tried to make that work for a couple of years until it became just glaringly obvious that that was not the right way to do it, and we were still doing a disservice to the niche, which is why now we have kind of appointed and pretty extreme view on like tall Girl Friendly and that concept because we did it, like we lived that every single day and we know it shortcomings. But to go back to the original question, that really was the boost for us and why we wanted to have that in store experience. And I can pivot and pass the baton to Ali here, but there is a reason it's very extensive to have a store. And it's literally going to say, like nobody's going to enjoy this answer because it's not it's not fun, but literally just like the overhead of having a physical store and it's employees and all the things. So if you think about people. That have a lot of brick and mortar presence, like let's take a Lululemon or whatever. They also have a huge e commerce presence that in like reality, really supports keeping their brick and mortar open. So it's just it's not really I mean, it is for some people sustainable to have a brick and mortar, but I think there I would say a majority of companies that have a successful brick and mortar are also powered by a very stable e commerce business just to help with the general expense. And even in our experience, like. We have people from the Minneapolis metro that would make the drive to our specific suburb mall, they would come in, they would have the experience, and then we launched our online store, and all of a sudden, we're getting online orders from people that live like ten minutes away from them all. And so it's like everybody, I feel like, you know, does want to have that experience, but maybe not weekly, monthly, you know, even once a quarter. Maybe they want to go like twice a year and have that experience. And unfortunately that's not enough to keep a bricking port and running. And so, like Amy said that, we just thought this would be the best thing ever to give Tullam that experience. It was, it was a great starting point for us to get our name out there and meet a lot of customers that are still like in our core customer base today and have helped us spread word. But you know a lot of the behavior to shift it online even for us. After one or two visits. So and if you think about the example that Ali gave with like a Lilu Lemon, that's more of like a general retailer, right, Like they have a huge. Body of customers that they can draw from. Obviously you're going to get into demographics and all of that, but I'm just saying like, from a fit perspective, you have a huge pool that you can draw our customer base from. So now when you scale that down to a niche like us, that pool looks very different. Not to say that there's not a ton of tall women, because we all know that there is, but it's just not the same concentration. And so we got to the point where we were like, hey, we can allocate all this money to keeping this brick and wordar open, or we can pivot and accomplish two things. One going to our own brand, like really build out our own brand, have our own line, and then also do a better job of reaching people all across the country, and that just made more sense to us, again with how we wanted to serve a niche. Yeah, that's a very interesting point because I mean I don't know for sure because I don't have my own toll clothing brand, but maybe you guys can kind of like confirm this. On top of you know, having a brick and mortar that already being expensive, I'm sure that trying to create toll clothing is also expensive. I mean there's like more fabrics there, I'm pretty more because of the extra length. I'm sure there's a lot more like back and forth in terms of having to like remake samples based on proportions and so forth. So it's like that side is already expensive. Then adding you know, a physical place and as you said, like employees and I'm sure you have light bills and heat bills and all that other stuff. Like all of that does add up. And I can under stand the point that I think it was Ali who made that point about online sales ultimately supporting those physical stores. So and also like from our perspective, keeping a price point that feels fair to us and for our customers is driven by not having also like if you have the expense of all these other brick and mortar and like physical spaces and pop ups and whatever you're doing, ultimately the cost of your products has to go up to to support that. You know, I mean there are some people that have you know, like Old Navy has reasonable price clothing and stuff. But again back to my example of like a Lulu Lemon, I feel like. Now being in this industry for over. A decade, we've met with people that like supply these people we have an idea of what it costs them to make things and what they're pricing could be have they not have all of this like physical. Store front to support. So I also feel like for Amy and I, it was more important to provide like fair pricing or reasonable pricing versus. Like trying to sustain both worlds and therefore making like the cost of our products go up for our customer. Yeah, yeah, that does make a lot of sense. And honestly, like, who's to say that Amali Tally won't be in store again someday? You honestly never never say never. Yeah, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on that, and you know why there aren't really that many tall specific brick and mortars. I think that kind of like brings light to a lot of things, because I'm not gonna lie sometimes to tell girlies are selfish. It's like, oh, we deserve stories and person stores deserve stories in person, but we don't always think about like that actual like costs behind it. And then there was a point that Amy actually made in terms of having to having to choose between style and fit, and there was a question that maybe this could have been the answer to but maybe I can you know, combine it. Do you think that because my question was, what's one thing that you wish everyone knew about being tall that most brands get wrong? And how do you guys fix that? So do you think that it's having to choose between style and fit or maybe something else? The problem, in my just humble opinion, is that it's more than one thing, And I think that's why it's such a rough experience, because I think people will pick and choose what they try to fix, but you can't. You it really is like everything you know what I mean, And so whether it's it's all the nuances on the pattern, I'm talking everybody. One of my biggest problems with tall friendly is. That they add length to the bottom, but they forget that women's are proportions are very different everywhere than someone who's five four, and the average fit model or mannequin in Los Angeles is based on proportions of someone who's five four. Okay, I'm a full foot taller. So there is no way that that proportion base is going to work for me, like the math does a math there, And so I do think I think it's allowing women to have the same kind of shopping experience, to find the things that match them and their personality just like everybody else. But it's remembering that it's more than just length, you know, like you can put a hair of pants on that are thirty seven inches, but if they've done no work to the pattern and the pelvis and the hips and the scoop and all of that, I'd rather wear the sharp pants because it's going to be so uncomfortable that it's almost like I'm not sure if it's better to be uncomfortable or have a flood. I don't know. Like to me, those are those are both awful. So I think the thing that people get wrong is that they try to pick and choose instead of just doing it all. Correctly and kind of going with that. We've spoken to this on our social media page too, But when people try to capitalize on tall just like quickly and just kind of grab what they can, I feel like the education behind their products is lacking too, right, So, like there's no. Size guide, Like they're like, it's tall, but like. The en seam isn't listed, and they're like, well our models like five nine, and we're like okay, but like, is she does she have like a longer end seam? Is she longer in the Torso like it's hard for me to tell. Things like that too, right, So like they just kind of want you to be happy because they're like, look, it's tall, or like it's like I did it and long, Like yeah, it's like no, no, no, I don't know, because you know, if you're going to shop online like successfully, you need to have information. So for me, that is a huge pet thieve too. And I could go on and on about that because it doesn't just relate to like length and model. It's like way size and all of those things too. But I think a lot of people just skip the effort behind it too, or the cost. You know what I mean, Like we were chatting with India with you about this. We've sat in those meetings. So we've sat with Denham suppliers who supplied the big brands right like or the department stores. So we can tell you without a shadow of the doubt what those conversations sound like because we heard it. And so what people have to understand is when you're dealing with manufacturing, first of all, the units to cut something like them is astronomically high. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pairs of genes is the smallest amount. That you can order, and most people. Order like ten thousands or several thousands at the least. And so what happens is, you know, there's still a business at the end of the day. So if you're somebody, let's just take for example, Nordstrom, and Nordstrom wants to bring in a line of tall they're gonna work as their denim provider, and they're gonna say, like, what's the most cost effective way we can do this? And the denim provider is gonna say, Okay, here's our best selling styles, here's the ones that we would recommend. Let's cut these in the thirty six inch. But here's the thing. You can't adjust any other element of the pattern because when you start getting into the cut and sew and the grating and all the things that come together to make a pair of genes work, that's where now we're talking different fit, different patterns, different the cut and sew operation is dramatically impacted. It raises the price, it raises the minimum units that they can order. So what they say is fool. Just give us a thirty six, Like just keep everything else the same and give us the thirty six and the inch or whatever. And that's why. Then you get it and you put it on in your momentarily joyful that they are long enough, but then uncomfortable the rest of the day because you can't figure out why. You have a wedgie all day or like you know what I mean, Like I'm sorry to say that. I'm sorry to say it, but that literally is what happens because nothing else on the pattern was adjusted. And that's not again, I am more long in the body than in my legs, So for me, I always felt like the back of the gane like crack and then like gene you know, so like I'm like, why does everything feel like I'm going to expose. Myself literally all the time. So things like that too, it's like rise, it's scoop how it feels in the butt. All of those things like she was speaking. To you, are just completely like skipped over, not only for cost but for time too, Like how quick can we get this to market? They don't want to sample it, they don't have a fit model that's six two, you. Know, or they might not have at all. It might be a manion, right, totally fair point. Thank you so much for sharing that. Honestly, you know, you made like a lot of good points there about how you know, there's almost like this lack of understanding of the market of tall women, especially because we're you know, such a niche group of people and you know, with costs and you know, timing and trying to get everything out there quickly. I mean, it's I don't want to say it's a mess about it kind of it is a little bit and it like I think people fail to realize how that greatly affects tall women's confidence and so forth, because clothes do play a big part in it, and when we have terribly fitting clothes and when we don't have stuff that fits us properly or isn't like expressive or representative of who we are, it can be very challenging for us. And you know, while we're on that note of confidence and so forth, I do want to ask you one last question. What is one piece of advice that you want to get to the tall girlies who are listening right now, who are struggling with their self esteem because of their height. You know, there's two things that I think made a difference for me, and so I'm going to just lean on both of them. One, I don't care what it is in life, but I would really recommend people find their passions or the things that they enjoy doing. Find something that you. Can borrow confidence from, right Like, it doesn't have to be sports. For me, it was volleyball, but that's not actually the case for probably most tall girls, because most tall girls don't play volleyball or sports or whatever at a high level. But whatever it is, I don't care if it's acting, singing, building things, whatever it is, I would say lean into that because if you are feeling fulfilled and you're doing things that make your heart happy, for me and others I've talked to you that has a way. Of kind of spreading. I don't think there's a quick solution, so I'm not going to say all of this is like a magic wand you wave and like bam, it's better overnight. It's a process, it's a process. These are things that help me in my process. One fine things that you love doing, that you feel confident doing, and lean into that. And then the second thing I think is super. Important is having a village around you, so you know whether that looks like being in a community of other people who are built like you, other tall women. I think that's incredibly important. The work that you do India and bringing people together to share experience is completely important. It's very important. But I also think it doesn't have to be a community of tall women. If there's people that are around I think that's a great part of it. But I don't think you know. For me, I had friends that weren't tall, and your mom is tall, but not like super tall. So I think it's the people who you. Surround yourself with, whether or not they're in your family, they may or may not be your friends, the people you choose to spend time with. I think that they play a really pivotal role in supporting you in all walks of life. But certainly if they're aware. Of being confidence or insecurities, you may feel they can play a really important role and tell you're there and can do it for yourself, you know what I mean. Like, I'm married to somebody who's significantly shorter than I am, and if you would have asked me twenty years ago, if that would have been the case, I would have been like, no, absolutely not never. But you know, in actuality, he is like one of my biggest supporters and he has helped me, even after you start dating, find real confidence. I think it's just people who know you and love you and can help support you, and you have to lean into that and tell you can do. It for yourself. Yeah, thank you so much for sharing that. And I mean, of course having a tall sister helps out a lot. I am sure. Thank you so much for sharing that, Amy, that was so nice. I'll ask Ali the same question. What is one piece of advice that you want to give to the tall girlies who are listening to this right now, who may be struggling with their self esteem because of their height. I spoke to this earlier in the episode too, But I think it's important to realize, like the impact like about how you feel about yourself also has on other people, especially like younger people. So I was saying, you know, Amy, you know, might have been struggling with some things, but she never showed it to me, And so I think like embodying that attitude of like, oh, it might be getting me down, but I'm going to like encourage somebody else by like owning it, even if it's kind of like a fake till you make it, you know, because like I just think once you realize like you've helped one other person feel better about like how they're built, how they're made, how they look, whatever it is, I feel like in turn, that. Helps make you feel better. Right, So it's like not just like a focus on yourself, but like helping somebody else come out of it. And I kind of feel like the best. Way that we do that for people, especially younger people, is to model confidence, and maybe it doesn't come naturally at first, maybe you have to practice it. And I feel like that definitely happened to me. Like we started this business when I was like twenty five, and I did not have any confidence, not in the business world, not in you know, like how I was built, who I was. But I think just kind. Of like showing up and owning it every day to the best of ability. Helps too. And I think you just really have to keep in mind, like the impact that you're having on other girls and young women, And I feel like that's so important to keep in mind. Like when we. Started this business, the marketing that anybody else had was always like tall girl problems, this is the worst, but like whatever, here here's something to like maybe help you get through it, you know. So when Amy and I started, we're like, no, we're making this positive, Like, no more tall girl problems. Like, yes, they exist, but that's not going to be our marketing focus. It's going to be like, look, how good you. Make these pieces look because like they fit you. So I think just staying on the positive side, leaning into the winds, and you know, dismodeling it for other people. Yeah, of course, it's always the small things, the small winds that at us. And speaking of impact, you guys are definitely having an impact on the tall girlies. I do want to say a thank you on the behalf of the entire Tall girl community for what you do, what you guys do. All of the tall brands out there there, y'all are just some courageous people who are no like literally like something like this is like very scary, and you guys are going in there and as you just said, with like positivity and you're doing the thing, you know what I mean, And it's just like it's just an amazing thing to see. So I just want to say on behalf of the Tullger community, we are very grateful for you guys. Thank you so much. Amy spoke to this earlier, but what we love what you're doing too. Anytime there's a community, anytime that we can all like fond, you know, share experiences, lift each other up like that all helps so so much. So rest back to you. Oh my gosh, thank you and thank you guys for being on the podcast. Can we like where can we find you guys on the in This is like the time to plug yourselves. Amy. We are online at amaliitally dot com, a M A l l I t A l l I dot com. And then Instagram, Facebook. That's about as much of the social networks as we have the capacity to manage. So I honest, if you want to pin some things, yeah, yeah, I definitely get it. It's trying to manage everything can definitely be crazy. But all of those are going to be linked below. And I'm gonna plug myself out a Tall Girls podcast. Literally everywhere I get search it up on Google. Google knows me by now, or I would hope that Google does know me by now. But Amali Tally's links is going to be down there. My links are going to be down there. And thank you again so so much, Amy and Ali for coming on the podcast and having a conversation with me and just talking about your business and the story behind it and so forth. It was a pleasure having you guys here. Thank you, thanks for having us so much. Yeah, of course, and you know, make guys, make sure you check them out. As I said before, the links are going to be in the description and until then, until you hit us up and check them out and all that stuff, I will we will catch you guys in the next one. Good night and goodbye, bye bye.