What It's REALLY Like Being a Tall Model | Tips and Tricks for Modeling Success ft. Paryse Lambert

Hey there, just wanted to say really really quickly. Persee has given me a discount code for you guys. You can get fifteen percent off your purchase at Perise Style using code big Feed. No spaces, big feet, links and codes will be in the description. And this is a limited time deal, y'all, so shop quickly. This code is running only until Sunday, December twenty ninth, twenty twenty four, five pm EEST on the dot again, use code big feed for fifteen percent off your purchase at Parise Style only from today December twenty sixth, twenty twenty four until December twenty ninth, twenty twenty four at five pm e s t. All information will be in the description. All right, let's get into it. Good morning, everybody. You are currently listening to a tall Girls podcast hosted by a tall girl named India. I hope everyone who's tuning in today is doing super fantastic. We have a very very special guest with us today. Fun fact, a couple of you have actually hit me up over on Instagram. It was telling me that I should do an episode with this person. And you know when she reached out in my comments and I reached out to her and the DMS. It was like it was kind of it was meant to be. So today I am introducing to you Preees, a model, actress, and brand owner. I'm pretty sure if you've hit me up over on Instagram and asked me to do an episode with her, you already know who she is. She's a superstar honestly in my eyes, Hi, Pirise, how are you doing today? My god, I'm like so happy with that intro? How how I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm doing that is super great to hear. Please please just take a second to introduce yourself to the audience. Oh my okay, I can all right. So I am a middle aged Woman's true. I'm over half a century old who's had a really fantastic life. I've had a lot of trials and tribulations. I've had a lot of great things happen, a lot of bad things happen in my life. I am I was a former model and a former actress. But girl, I am back in. I'm active duty period and I'm the owner of Paris Style, which is a tall woman's clothing brand. Fashion. I'm not a jean girl. Yes, yes, yes, yes, obviously I'm gonna have all of your links in the description too, so people can find you and we all know because you know, you literally have your own brand for tall women. We all know you're tall. I want to hear about your experience growing up as a tall girl, the good, the bad, the ugly. What was that like for you? And also can you also let us know how tall you are? You know what? I forgot to mention that I should have had that besides old and ugly now too, I'm six foot two and proudly Kirby. I'm also a size six team, so I wear that badge of honor quite well. So there you go. That's that's my height. Look did bad me ugly? And it's funny, come to think of it. I think when I was living in Europe, because I'm an army brat and my father was stationed in Germany and Spain and all those places, I remember he enrolled me into girl Scouts. But of course you started as a brownie, right. Honestly, think I was like the tallest brownie. I felt like that actor in ELF. I was the tallest brownie. Oh. I probably thought I was a girl scout, But that was the first memory of me realizing I I'm like a square and a you know, trying to fit in a circle peg. The next memory, we moved to California after Europe, and my dad retired and went to law school, but I went to private school and and that's going to lead into clothing. So they put me in everything that a parent should vault, gymnastics, ballerina, and I really remember ballerina because I have big feet, Like I'm a size thirteen now, but I could have been a size nine back then in third grade as far as I'm concerned. You know, they spent the money with the two two's and the stockings, which you know, really it just stretch I think was by the knees even at that age, and they're they're trying to go up on their toes and I'm holding the bar, going eh, like this is not going to work. I was miserable. I was crying, and they're basically said, hey, listen, maybe being a ballerina is not for your daughter. And she is a little bit tall. So that was the kind of the first introduction to you don't fit in as being a ballerina. So I guess I was the black swan. I guess so so yeah, that was my earliest memories of that. Yeah, I get you with the whole ballet thing too. I actually in another podcast episode with another guest her name is Debbie, when she was talking about her time and dance, I remember telling her that I was so uncoordinated like my I obviously because it was just at a time where I haven't grown into my body. So when I tell you, arms and legs were flailing everywhere, falling flat on my face. I did tap dance, I did ballet. It was horrible. So I understand the struggle with that. Yeah, it's not made for giraffes. I'm okay with that, Yeah, exactly. And as like a follow up, what was something involving your hype? It could be a question, it could be a comment. What was something involving your height that you absolutely hated hearing? To be fair, I don't remember hearing anything that threw me on, even like mean girls or clicks. I got along with everyone, So I just remember like hanging around a click, and of course you see Perice's head of everybody, and they never I know, right, you know what feeling. They never they never outcasted me, fortunately for me. In grade school, junior high. In high school, there was always one girl taller than me. It was always one girl taller than me. So I didn't feel so bad. But yeah, no, thankful with private school and if you have the opportunity and you've got a tall kid, because I didn't have to wear or choose clothes on a daily basis, and I had a uniform that godsend. I mean, I basically had white Oxford and the plaid skirt which we all know is back infection now right, so, which I will never ever wear again because I went through a whole lot. Sorry it's back. And fashion for me. Saddle shoes, oh my god. I stud with the saddle shoes. My my parents were able to find like a size nine and ten in saddle shoes for some reason back then they were and that was in the seventies, okay, But I wanted the smaller size and I would cram my toes in there and I ended up with blisters, always suffering on the knuckle, the top knuckle since then, you know, the hammer toe. I've had revisions and I've taken care of that, but you know, you want to have that smaller shoe like all your other little girlfriends have. And that's the thing about being young. You care, you care about what others think. But I just start to ripen and get older you don't care. Very very true. I cared then, I'll be honest, that's very true. And you know I also feel you. I was saying I feel you a lot, but I do feel you with the whole Catholics well private school thing, because I went to a Catholic school when I was younger, so having uniform did kind of help the situation. But the only thing with me was that the tights were never the stockings were never long enough, like they were literally falling off of my behind walking throughout school. And we had specific gym uniforms. They had set sweatpants, set shirts. The sweatpants we would have to get the largest size and they were never long enough. So I annoying these huge sweatpants that are like literally slipping off because I was tiny as a child, well not as tall, but like tiny, so I like I was not filling out those sweatpants at all, so they were just falling right off me and they were still too short. So even uniforms can sometimes be annoying, But anyway, it's enough about you know, take a. Production to trauma. If you think about it a little bit, our parents love it. You're so wonderful, you're so great. No, you're not too tall, you're just well. They don't even say you're too tall. They don't, you know, maybe they're they're friends or sending, you know, past a comment she's growing that sort of. But I think those formative younger years is when you start to go maybe I'm a little different, you know. But yeah, definitely the uniforms helped and the tights did not help you. Thankfully, California we had Bobby sockso okay, he was good. Okay, now that we're not talking about uniforms. So you did mention that you were a model and still a model, you got back into it to this day. Did being tall ever work for or against you in the modeling industry? Is there a specific story where your height played a very key role? Okay, so let's get into the nuts of both of that, because just like fashion, modeling is as well cyclical. So when I fortunately started and it wasn't any any wanting of my own, I think it was my dad. And you mentioned like, do did you ever hate a certain thing? That was said, I paid no mine, but my dad kept hearing from people and we'd walk through burdines or something. Your daughter's so tall, she should be a model, she should be a model. So my dad said, you want to be a model, and I'm I'm not a tomboy that I'm like, like, I didn't think about it. I no, I wasn't one of those that was like in the mirror, Wain, that's the pretty and I like that. So he's like, well, you're tall and you're good looking, let's give it a whack. So he took me too. And this was in Fort Lauderdale at the time, and I'm getting off topic for a second, but it's all going to make sense. So he took me to I think it was John Casablanca School of Modeling and they went, oh, I just love your daughter. Oh she's wonderful. And at the time that was Hunter Reno, top model who's like well over six feet. Her mother was the director of that place, and Janet Reno, I think is in Congress or was in Congress something like that. So that that's my whole family dynamic. So my dad's like really sick. Yeah, yes, and it's only going to be a thousand dollars to join this, you know, And he's like, oh, but you got a lot of faith in her, right, Oh, yes, so much faith. Why don't you pay for it? They paid for it, the John Casablanca, Schola Modeling paid for it. My dad was not going to butch. He knew that I could possibly be a money maker for them, which is commissioned men off of whatever. So I did the whole thing, and I did you know the runway and how to apply makeup and how to dress the part, how to look, how to conduct yourself when you go on an audition, that sort of thing. Well, that shutdown and that same woman as Reno, ended up opening Elite Miami. So that was my first agency down in Miami, Elite, John Casablanca, Elite. And my first job was for I think Halston Halston. It was a fashion show. The clothes did great. I was like this and I think I was about five ten and a half maybe five eleven. I've grown gradually over the years, thank god. So I got five and a half five eleven, and they, of course they crammed my ten feet at the time into size eight. So you can just imagine I'm there. I'm sucking it up, Buttercup, and I'm about to go on stage and this is so painful and yeah, and it's like I feel the tears just rolling down going back there, and I kicked those things off. I'm like, I'm not going back out there again. Well, they realized, Okay, Maerice is not built to do run away, although she's tall. Oh that was that one experience. So then being cyclical h they put me into print and then print, I was fine, five chin and a half, five eleven. That's actually a great hype. And I think you've mentioned that before. I did that, and I was, I was toggling working with Wilhelmina and Miami did exceedingly well. My biggest clients were Germans because they liked to big, you know, blonde women with bones and you know, like my thing was not going to Japan, so I was. I was a South Beach girl. I did that and I started building up my portfolio. And then I headed off to Canada, of all places, because I'm dual citizen and I and that's where I really started to build my portfolio. Because you do editorial and editorial pace oo poo, you're just doing it for camera experience. You're doing it because your height does not matter in editorial, and you're working with photographers who also besides doing editorial for magazines, they are also shooting catalogs and they see you move well, they like you, you know what, They make exceptions. It doesn't matter that you're tall. They'll put your next to someone five to eight and I'll make it work. So that and I did that successfully for Wow well over well over ten years. Then I headed off to Australia. So Australia was a different nugget. And again this is between then in Australia, I was living in Spain, I was living in Germany. I was living in France. That's where I caught my teeth. In Paris, my first job was the Statue of Liberty. They dressed me up on a blue sequence crown and holding its fort and went, well and this funny, and it's about your liberty. I don't care. Why would I care. I got bathe and I got editorial, and my agents had trusted me that you know, she can take on the chin boom and it just started to go from there. So again that's when you start to get calloused on your skin, and you really start to realize what do I care? So that's that, and then I go to Australia. Boom, Kate Moss. Ah, Yes, I think she's pretty. But Kate Moss came on the scene and she was all of maybe maybe five seven, and she was the width of a cigarette. So you know, here's Cindy Crawford, Ashley Montana. You've got El McPherson who's six feet tall, who was like the og of swimsuit, you know, illustrated these girls that were five ten and Ashley was six foot one and El McPherson six feet All of a sudden, not so much then, but other people started to go more into they were They were tossed into a plus sized division if you were oversized ten plus size before that was a size, so you had to now be a four to six or an eight to be in a straight division. So, just like fashion again, modeling is cyclical. So did I work as Australia. No, I did not work at all. When I was in Australia. I didn't even shoot a test. It was very depressing. So then I go back to New York and my agent goes, I have a seat because I have a seat, and I'm like, okay, yeah, she goes, You're now on the plus board. I'm like, huh, because I was still a size ten twelve I mean mind gym of fourteen sixteen now, but as a ten twelve maybe an eight on a really good, unbloated day. And she goes, yeah. So I'm like all right, So I went on the board, did more photos. I noticed, like, you know, I guess she was telling the photographer put her in sweaters and make her look thicker and make her look fuller. So that was the whole trend that was going on, was plus size. But every time I walked into an audition and they're like, well, she's got plus size because my height deferred my size numbers. But my numbers don't lie. I mean, that's just like it does. My height at that time now was like six six to one. Did not look like someone who's five ten. Okay, I have ten compared to someone who's five six. I mean, your body starts to change in those increments of sizes, so you can't compare apples and oranges, even five ten to six one. Our frames are totally different. Yes, you're I'm taller and my bodies canna be bigger, but doesn't mean I'm fat. So here I was a nundrum of plus size and I wasn't getting booked as a plus size model. I did work for Spiegel and Lane Bryant've worked with Nanna, Nicole Smith. I've worked along Queen Latifah and all those fashion shows for Lane Bryant, But I was actually the thin one of all the Lane Bryant shows. If you google Parice Alan Lane Bryant, it might pop up. But I worked with her a few times with Anna, and so that was an experience. So yeah, Lane Bryant was like of my bread and butter for a while. So what happened is a lot of these people were booking really large women. And I'm talking eighteen, twenty, twenty two, twenty four, twenty six at the height of five ten. Clothing wasn't moving. It wasn't moving because the reality of it is that women didn't want to see themselves in the catalogs coming in through their front door. At that size. You saw a shift of people. Then I started to work again better ten twelve, fourteen, sixteen, and even smaller girls. And if you thumbed through a catalog you'd see one x, two x, three x, four x five x because people wanted to know that their size was available, but they did not want to look at themselves. Oh that was just the reality of it. I'm not making a move because I asked the art director. So I'm like, how come you've You've just shifted and I'm booked again all of a sudden after a year, and like, well, if the things weren't moving, and we get feedback from people and they got their data, so I was just listening to what the data was. So that was that. I mean, and I've stayed in the plus realm for a little bit, but even my agent in New York and I'm with Jail Model Management, so you can if you want to lurk and google me, you can go there. You will see me. But I'm under the Classic division. So yeah, I mean, I still didn't book Macy's wanted to book me twice, but of course I was on a cruiser out of town, so I kind of like I didn't burn that bridge, yet still going to book it with them. She just put me into She put me to Classic because I'm well over fifty and as boomers, I'm not a boomer. But as boomers are getting older, they're the ones with the liquid cash, They're the ones that are purchasing things, and they're being neglected. So you're going to see a lot of older people come in. You see Elon Musk's mom, you know, like doing campaigns, You're seeing Pamela Anderson makeup free, You're seeing all this stuff. So again, like fashion, it's ever so shifting. Yeah, today I'm just a classic model. That sounds like quite the journey for sure. And also you did say you actually commented under one of my posts and you brought this up a little bit in the beginning of your journey with being a model regarding shoe sizes. I don't recall what size you said you were. I know when you were younger, younger you said you were like a nine or ten, and then obviously I'm pretty sure it grew to be larger, and then how that also impacted your ability to do runway. Do you think that this kind of reflects a larger issue with inclusivity and modeling and even in fashion. That's a superior question, and no, seriously, it is. Yeah. So I started probably a size ten, I said in third grade, and just like when I was starting to model, I was five ten and a half, five eleven on my driver's license when I graduated high school and escalated from there, So did my feet. They escalated and they got longer after I can see they got longer. Yeah, so they are comfortable size thirteen right now. So my experience is Parice always had a suitcase full of clothes, and she had a suitcase full of shoes. Most people I traveled to Even to this day when I'm traveling with my husband, I could pack a lot less if I didn't have these pontoons to pack. And that's just the reality of it. I mean, I'm sorry, we're like, you know, we all have Viking blood in us somehow. I mean, there's a reason why we're tall, our hands are long, our limbs are long. In feet, I mean just that came organically somehow. So that's that's a pain point I have to carry around and do. But yeah, I used to take it on sets. I mean, Parice was known for bringing my bag red blat, open toe, close, dough, strappy, flat. I mean, the stylists were very happy, and that was really good to do, really smart because it made them look good. Shoes were always pristine and they didn't have to think about it too much. So when I was shooting and you hear, I think what you're talking about. I specifically remember I was in Acapulco, and of course they rent these beautiful like you know, homes on the side of the cliff. And I actually have to post that on my on my Instagram. How they they would cut down the back of my pants, shooming it down to make it look longer and whatnot. But they would actually take shoes. Let's say the shoes were very poignant for the shoot because they were selling them. Did I want to not get booked on their next job because of my big feet? Was I going to suffer through it? Oh? Yeah? Oh yeah, because sorry, Yeah, it'd be like, oh sorry, the German accent and I'm gonna I'm gonna do it because I love Germans. But they're like, oh, the shoes are a little small, You're okay with that. We just cut the back and I'm like, do it. You know, so at least I had panty hose back then. Oh my god. And talk about shooting in the tropics or it's one hundred and one degrees and you're pantyhose. That's just a whole other story. But anyways, at least that helped me slide into these glossy heels with that back, and they were kind, They really were kind and stretched in the back, and so you actually had to kind of position your body and move and make sure your shoes never went sideways and doing those kind of like poses. It always had to be very demure, and so I think they really appreciated that I did all that effort. Now whenever I had the opportunity, boom if flip them off, so that that was fine. So it started becoming a joke. But then when you realize you got booked again and I booked again, it was kind of like you're selling number one, they want to see sales number two. She's a trooper, So although she may have bigger feet, and there may be a girl that doesn't have bigger feet, we're not sure if she could sell. Although she's good looking. They went with old face, which I was very grateful for. Yeah. Wow, definitely a lot of tears. A lot of tears have happened when when I've worn smaller shoes. I mean, I can imagine how uncomfortable that is. And I don't know. It's like, do you think I mean, this is your personal opinion, like, no tin, no shade to anybody, of course, but do you think they should have included shoes that were large enough or we're able to fit your feet? Honestly No, I mean we are very small populous, and I think we just need to realize that we're small populous and we do have to fit in to that because when it comes down to ordering and manufacturing, and I'm just telling you this as a brand, you know they want to get you by the hook's bus. You know what, You're only going to order X amount. Well, I can get your break if you do X amount. It's like, well, I don't know if this is going to move. So I'm a new brand. Am I gonna put myself on a deficit? No? But I think it's a great product. So samples are known to be smaller sized. Hence why they even a thin tall girl. They would cut the back to him down to make those thirty two links look like thirty four thirty five. And they would cut the backs of shoes because you know they're getting them from China, that's the biggest shoe manufacturer ever. Only make Cinderella. I don't care where you're buying it. Ninety five percent come from China. It's just it. Unless you're going to a fine Italian cobbler in Milano or fit Ins or whatever, you're getting them from China. So of course, just like their moths, their feet are tiny, and they must they must look at the graphics and cads that come in from designers and go, oh my god. I didn't even realize we're doing a small boat here, you know, like we are a minority. But we accept that we're a minority. We can move on with our life. Now do we have to be a minority dressing looking fashionable, wearing shoes that fit us and not being in the back of a group picture and standing forward. There's so many other things as tall women that we can do and not fuss about. But as far as shoes can you when you put skin in the game in something, you own a shoe company and I look at these shoe companies that have size twelve and thirteen. We'll get back back in a second. I just like it's it's a big investment for one percent of the populace over six feet that may have size twelve thirteen fourteen, Like how much, Especially when you're told I only can do the shoe for X amount of dollars. How much can you possibly want to order in various styles and sizes that you are comfortable sitting on until people find you or worst, yet they continue order from China for forty nine dollars, fifty nine dollars whatever. So it's a really double edged sword. I'm telling you. It's just like, you can't go home and cry when there's tall outfits out there that are trying to get you in fashion stuff, try them first. I mean, hands down. I've tried to order and do shoes too when I was in the process of putting this all together, and the stuff that came to me was absolute fricking garbage. And I imagine that's the garbage that goes through Amazon, to be fair, because a true design, when they get that, and even from China, they're gonna be like, no, you need to narrow this down, you need to adjust the heel, so it's not just like a bulk thing coming out. Because they've got so many outlets and warehouses and different faces that you don't know about that are selling the stuff or people just tag that and it's so ugly. But give your only Maker, your Cinderella, all those other places that it's not coming off the top of my head. Give them a shot. First, they invested in you, So why are you Why are you leaving them in the dust, Because if you leave them in a dust and they shut down, you ain't got no reason to cry. So if you get those shoes that really don't have that fit, they're square toed, you look like Franket's done coming because it's just a general size twelve thirteen. That's on you because you didn't support the people that go I'm here to solve a prop pay attention. That's what we're all trying to do. All the tall brands are trying to do that. So it's not extended sizing and longer lengths and longer shoes. It's it's about the fit. And I know the African American community the fit like I'm narrow, but I know it's wider, and sure you can buy it toward I've shopped the tord crap. And that's me being polite with my mouth. Okay, let's I mean it's not that expensive. It looks not that expensive and it's I still have some stuff that I think I just need to give good will. I mean, it's just like they're not quality, glassy, shiny, glossy burgundy like fashion. Now, so please shop with your shop with your smaller brands. I'm begging you. Yeah, I really like the point that you're making. It's like, instead of complaining about what other brands don't have, you know, try to invest that time and finding the brands that do have what you need and do have what you want. So I think that that's a good point. Here's another side note. I will watch videos of people going to brunch is, to distilleries, to vacation here and there, blah blah. And I'm not saying that the first people, but I'm just saying, like, by the time you do the Christmas drinks, let's say, okay, I shut that down. I'm not doing Christmas drinks. They're fifteen dollars to twenty dollars a pop, right, And if you're not in the city and you've got you know, public transportation, you've got ubers so you get your uber back and forth. You've got these drinks that are gonna tally up with whatever snacks you have of over one hundred dollars, and yet you may go, oh my god, that dresses one hundred and fifty. What the hell did you just put down your bullets going on the toilet tomorrow morning that you can't wear again and again and again. Like for me, it doesn't make financial sense, but these are the people they are just gonna go and then go I don't know, I'm not going to buy that for that, but you just drank. That just makes no sense. Yeah, yeah, I see that a lot too. That does. I get that especially. But I spoke more so about that in the episode with Fast Fashion about how like tall fast Fashion is a scam and stuff because it's like you think you're buying it tall. Number one is not always tall and number two, as you mentioned before, the fit can suck instead of investing the money that you bought seven pairs of pants from that tall fast Fashion, where you can buy two good quality ones from an actual brand that understands your pain point. So I think that that's Honestly. I'm actually a very big spanks fan. So I mean I've just I've done for years and you know, I'll look at the tall grol communities and they'll be like, oh, and it's so expensive, it's one hundred and twenty five or a hundred and fifty. We'll wait for to sale if you don't care about securing your size. But it's just like tried and true. I washed them inside out. They last, they look good. I mean I'm only a thirty four en scene at six foot two, but I like my thirty five and thirty six, which is why me I always provide thirty eight inch scene. But yeah, it's just like you just have to think about all these these little factors of where you spend your money, what's your value, what you're getting back, and then choose like you were talking about. Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And you know, you really do sound very knowledgeable in the whole fashion model space too, just hearing you speak today, And I did want to ask, like, do you have any advice for any tall woman that's going into the modeling industry. As far as becoming a model? I mean, not gonna lie. I mean, I'm six foot two and my agent lists me as five to eleven. Because here's here's the deal. Oh, none of them job, pick that job. Okay, So here's the deal. Plus ize is comfortably five eight to five eleven, size eighteen twenty. They really don't want them any rounded more voluptuous than that. Again, like we talked about earlier, people actually don't want to see themselves like that. In their mind they're size fourteen sixteen maybe or ten twelve, but they want to see their size on a catalog or you know, in the order online. So I am molested as five eleven. That's that's funny. It's strange, and you know why she takes a chance with her clients to lie. That's not my business. But when I show up still to this day with my shoe bag, if I have no one next to me, they don't care if I'm five seven or if I'm six four, because if the clothes fit nicely or if they have to adjust in the back, They're looking for the look, the look, the emotion. What's going to sell this? You know? Like and as far as like modeling with height, I'd say anyone tall, and it doesn't matter if you're six foot, six foot three, six foot four. The fashion, the runway, they always want you the clothes drape better, quite honestly, so you may just be niched. Let's say you don't have the look, but you've got the body. Because you see very androgynous women doing runway, not apple pie blonde hair, and you know, kind of you see very different looking women that are absolutely gorgeous, so they strut the runway and it's a matter of your agent once you secure one. And that's part two of this for me, I think, is to you know, submit you to do these runway shows and you are a runaway model. I'm sorry, but there's print and there's runway models. The two rarely unless you are a top notch model intertwined, because then all of a sudden, you are the head of that runway show. Okay, let's not talk about a toory secret. That's a whole another thing. But any runway show, they've got like their main capture, and the rest are people you never know. Its household name, you'll never know, and they're just walking around and they they're gone, and they just make the clothes look good because the focus for designers is that their clothes looks good, not you, Oh not you. So now imagine these are falling and draping on this very rare thin woman or man. You put those same clothes in a woman that's shorter, it's going to expand a little bit wider and pull a little bit up. Hence the plus size that's happening. So, yes, our niche is really not there. They've gotten you know, everyone was crying about plus size and fuller girls while they got that, and that's been going strong and it's a multi billion dollar industry. We're not going to have that, I really don't think. So. As tall women, we will continue just to fit in. I mean, if you are super tall, you need to do modeling in Norway, Denmark, Germany. These are your markets. You're not gonna be Japan, You're not gonna be Brazil. I was fortunate in Greece. I was very fortun it in Spain because I was like lingerie and swimsuits and stuff France, you know, but it was exposure and testing. So here's my advice for women who are tall that want to model. Treat it like a job. When you apply for a job, you research right there are literally, as the English would say, literally hundreds of agencies throughout the world. You're tall, start looking at agencies and all those those Nordic countries, but also in New York and let's say you have a funny face. Let's say you are androgynists. They have agencies called funny faces, you know, like you know, or just runway models. No one's gonna hold your hand, No one's gonna cur aus and go, oh my god, sorry, are you a model? Come this way, Come this way. No, it's a job. You research and you apply. You apply to the agencies. Once you've done your research, you scroll like a troll. You go through it and you go, okay, okay, then get that kind of looks like me, and they don't have someone that looks like you. There's your window, you emails. Go. I went through your website. I see so many beautiful you know, people of different dadda, but I don't see someone that looks like me. I'm attaching my photos and blah blah blah blah blah, and here are my stats in my body and here is a front photo of me, a profile and a body shot. I look forward to hearing from you. It's a damn job. I mean, I don't know why people think modeling is just like you know, it's you know, one and down and I just did a modeling job. No, it's a career. It's a career. You can make money. I've made money modeling. I've socked away money investment, So I don't treat it like just a hobby. It is a job. For me, it was a professional career. I don't call myself a model. I call myself a professional model because I've traveled around the world. I'm not snap one tools. No calendar girl. Have I done calendars like that? Oh yeah, I've done stuff like that. But you do have to treat this as a job. No one's gonna sugarcoat it. No one's gonna hold your hand. You're gonna hear a lot of nose or you're gonna hear a lot of crickets too, So be prepared. Well, I sit down Friday, it's Wednesday. I haven't hurt from them. You and three hundred other people submitted their photos. So unless you stand out where they're just drooling come Monday morning because they were bored at home the agents and they're looking I need to reach out to this person. Stand down, just relax, keep applying, keep applying, because one day, when they're looking at all the photos on their wall of people they represent and people they have to push to make their commission Let's say someone dies, got married, got pregnant, got too fat, got too skinny, moved away, there becomes a void. Don't give up. Don't give up. If you like a certain agency going, hey, I'm just gentle reminder, just a tickler. Here's my photo, here's how I look. Now you looking for a six foot one blonde with a body like this, you know that kind of thing. They're like, Oh, she's interesting. I bet you should be fine on set. They have to trust you. You're going on set. Are you going to be all doped up, drugged up late early? It's seriously, it's a job, job, and you have to be professional about it, and you have to treat applying for your job very professionally. And that's my two cents about that. That is, honestly some very great advice. Like training it like a ja I like to say, jawb. Oh, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead. No, I was just saying, cheering it like a jawb. Like that means you actually have to take it seriously, Like you said, do your research, apply and you know it's not something that's just going to come easily, something that you really have to work for. Listen, when I had to reinvent myself after thirty years of not being in it, successfully raising a family, getting two degrees whatnot. I had to go, who am I I'm not that girl that was the l cover who is six six feet tall at the time, and was this, I am now this, how do I sell myself? And I had to scroll scrow, scroll, look around, talk to old bookers that are no longer longer bookers, but people on you in the day and going, hey, do you know someone word of mouth connecting And that's how I landed it. I also took the time too in my acting portion. Although a screen actors guilt when you fall off. They want you to pay a hefty price to get back on. I went, I'm gonna stay non unions as long as possible for right now. But I actually went to the UK. I did a masterclass for like a month, submerged for a month, was in an airbnb, and I dedicated the time and the finances because I wanted to get the rust off this old bucket. And I'm so happy I did. And the Professor's like, welcome back, girl, you know, and it feels good. You have to love what you do. I love being a tall fashion brand. I love being an actress, I love being a model. I love how they all intertwined together, and I seriously treat it as a career. Quick little anecdote. I remember being with Glimina Models in New York, and you know, you talk with other models and you're like, oh, I've got this casting out in Long Island. It's for a costume shop, you know, the costume like you pull out the clown or whatever. And there was one for a Zena princess and I called my agent. I'm like, how come I didn't get this casting up, priest, You're not going to be good for it. I'm like, can I please go on it? She goes, Okay, here's the address. I'm like, I freaking booked it. So you have to have confidence in yourself. I went, you know what, who's better than Xena than this six foot broken girl? Forget the girls that are five seven coming in for the job. No, And it was like they booked me the same day. So you have to have confidence in yourself when you feel someone may not or like thinking in that little box and you feel good about something, you trust in yourself. It's just what you gotta do. Wow, that was great, great advice for any tall woman out there just looking, or honestly, any model out there just trying to get into the indust street or you know, get their big break in the industry. And I do have to ask, like where can we find you on the interweb? Like on the internet, like where can we find They. Can find me a Parice style pa r y Se style on either Facebook or on Instagram. I don't do Twitter. I don't do TikTok. It's not my market, not my peeps, not that I shun it, it's just like I don't have enough time to dedicate to that. I just don't. I'm always open to people messaging me if they have questions, if they're about to purchase something, and they just reach out. I mean, befre I get too big now, just freak it out. Just reach out message me, and I'm happy to do a FaceTime with you and show you a garment and show you how it works and what it's like, and go over the measurements one more time because I have investment pieces, because I'm not going to be your twenty nine thirty ninety nine dollars piece. I'm not, but I want you to be able to have longevity with it. I want you to be able to use it with multiple purposes stuff in your wardrobe. It's not a one and done. I don't do like the middleman wholesale and the people that take something plus size and pawn it off or take someone's design and add it. You can dupe dot com any of my stuff. You will not find it anywhere. That's how much I love my stuff. That's how much it's built from the ground up. I love duke dot com too. By the way, I did not know that something like that existed. I may actually look that up. Yeah, you can take a picture of something, including mine. I pray that you do, because if you find something similar to mind, it's probably like hundreds of dollars. So, yeah, dupe dot com everything. I'm just now finding out about this. I never know that existed. I'm going to look that up. Thank you so much again for just being on this podcast and just sharing your experiences about being a model and in the modeling industry, and also even sharing advice to other tall women who want to be in that industry. It was honestly so insightful. Absolutely anytime any topic you want to pick, Like I said, I'm over half a century old, not just my belt. I got lots of stories to tell. Tall women, seriously, tall women. Trusting yourself. Believe in yourself. If you feel you got the and droga just look. You want to run away model, you're poison. You want a runaway model, or you want to print editorial, or you want to cattalog. You want to make that money. Figure out where you need to go what you do. Also figure out before you go crying or not crying, you go knock it on someone's door. I want to be a model to do this. Are you married, do you have young kids? Can you travel? Think about all the other things, because don't make them go and then you go oh, and then you're deflated because they won't trust you again. It's any business that you go to interview with. I want this job. I love it. I want to be an attorney. Oh, I've got to pick up my kid too. It's a job, job, it's a job. And I'm gonna leave your links in the description too, so that anybody who wants to hit you up for more advice and so forth, and even check out your brand, It's all going to be in the description. So people can see, and I'm going to take the time to plug myself at a Tall Girls podcast, Instagram, TikTok pictures literally everywhere you search me up on Google. Google knows me by Now Google's probably tired of me at this point, but it's okay because I'm not tired of this podcast so period. Anyways, love it such an amazing job. I love it, I love it, I love it. Thank you. Everything is going to be linked in the description, And thank you so much again Freese for being here and sharing your experience. It was honestly so amazing. Have a great night yea, or have a great yeah. Yeah. We can say have a great night because that goes with my outro, but I say I'll catch you guys in the next one. Good night and goodbye.